Dad in "contested divorce" murders mom, two kids; killings happen AFTER she returns home (De Pere, Wisconsin)

The latest daddy scum to commit familicide: DENNIS BAY. Three innocent people slaughtered at his hand.

And notice that we STILL have the same stupid bullsh** response from the cops and neighbors.

A word to the police:  Daddy-driven slaughters are becoming increasingly common all over the country, if not the world. These incidents aren't "isolated" anymore. Maybe y'all need to read up on the literature some more. And no, your community isn't "safe." While a lot of these guys give ample warning as to their bloodbath intentions, some apparently don't. At least none that the female partner reports to the authorities, often for good reason (concern with not being believed, fear of further antagonizing the abuser/more violence, revolving door jail & bail policies, useless or unenforceable protection orders, custody threats, etc.) Also, it's not unusual for there to be no record of previous domestic violence calls to the police. Sometimes you guys just "lose" the records. And many, many victims never call for all the reasons cited above. Surely you're aware of that fact?

This case is actually a very typical familicide scenario--there is no great "mystery" about it. Mom and Dad were already going through a "contested divorce"--common code for divorce where domestic violence is being perpetrated by the father, but it's labeled as a "contested divorce" (or a "high conflict" divorce) so as to strip the father of responsibility for his actions. Mom moves out, but moves back home. The neighbor says she didn't know why Mom returned, but she had observed that Dad was "very demanding" (controlling of her time and access to other people). This is a very clear red flag for a violent abuser, though the article doesn't point this out.

Dad had also lost his job, which means he had lost his ability to financially "control" his family. If he was a like a lot of abusers, this made him even more volatile and threatening. Mom is identified as disabled, and it's not apparent here that she was even capable of steady employment.

So it's really not that hard to figure out why Mom felt she had no choice but to return. I'm sure it looked less risky to the safety of herself and the kids than going through with the divorce. And in fact, since battered women seldom have the resources to relocate elsewhere with the kids--in fact such a move is seldom even ALLOWED by the family courts--it would have been nearly impossible for her to provide protection to herself or her kids by leaving.

We certainly have plenty of cases here at Dastardly Dads of fathers who kill their ex-partners AFTER separation or divorce, and the kids too. And the custody arrangements don't make a whit of difference. In fact, since these dudes are generally granted unsupervised visitation or even custody, the mother can't even be present to monitor Daddy's "moods." So why wouldn't she go back? On the contrary, it's amazing that any woman goes through a divorce anymore. All it does is add more uncertainty and chaos to a bad situation.

Still, despite all the evidence as to what was going on, we are STILL afflicted with the Clueless Neighbor interviews. How this was a "normal family" and how killer daddy seemed "nice" and "very respectful." Frankly, these people don't know jack sh**, and it's too bad the media wastes their time and ours with this drivel. Much more productive to interview Mom's family and friends. If anybody knew anything about this brewing situation, they did. Or even local experts on the dynamics of domestic violence.

And a note to all the FR apologists for mass murderers: don't waste my time defending this piece of crap or how he was treated "unfairly." I won't publish your delusional comments. Mom caved in, she returned home, she met all of Daddy's demands. And she and the kids were slaughtered anyway. You can't negotiate with terrorists. And abusive fathers ARE terrorists. They are not poor widdle "victims."

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120203/GPG0101/120203196/Reports-4-dead-murder-suicide-De-Pere?odyssey=nav%7Chead

4 dead in apparent murder-suicide in De Pere

10:17 PM, Feb. 3, 2012

Written by Hannah O’Brien, Paul Srubas and Scott Cooper Williams
Green Bay Press-Gazette

DE PERE — A man killed his wife and two children before killing himself Friday, police say.

Police Chief Derek Beiderwieden said a man called police from inside the house about 3 p.m. to report that he had just killed three people and was about to kill himself. The phone line went silent, and others at the police station then heard a loud “pop,” the chief said.

Officers arriving at the home a short time later found four victims — two adults and two children — shot to death in a bedroom of the single-story home. Authorities recovered a firearm believed to the weapon used in the apparent murder-suicide, Beiderwieden said.

Neighbors and land records show Denis and Michelle Bay are owners of the residence where the incident occurred, 1245 S. Erie St. Records indicate the couple has two children, Andrea and Daniel, but police would not say whether these were the individuals at home during the shooting.

It appears that the first three victims were fatally shot a short time before the gunman called the police department, Beiderwieden said. Investigators had not identified a motive but were gathering evidence Friday night.

It’s a “very, very tragic day for De Pere,” the chief said, describing the incident as De Pere’s first homicide in several years and possibly its first homicide with multiple victims.

“I believe the community is safe,” he said. “I believe this was an isolated incident.”
Mayor Michael Walsh commended the police department’s efforts.

“It’s never easy to respond to any incident like this, especially when children are involved,” he said. “It really affects our officers.

“It’s certainly a tragic incident,” he added. “Our thoughts and prayers go out to relatives and family.”

The Bays are going through a contested divorce, court records say, and Michelle, along with the children, had moved out about six months ago but returned home in the fall for the new school year, said Jane Nohr, who lives in the home behind the Bays.

“Why she went back with him I don’t know,” Nohr said.

The Bay family moved into the neighborhood about five years ago, said Nohr, who has lived at 1244 O’Keefe Court for more than 30 years.

“I didn’t know the man very much,” Nohr said. “He was the kind of guy, if she was out talking to me, he’d send the kids to get her. He was very demanding.”

When Michelle Bay, 44, and the children moved out, they lived in an apartment on East River Drive, and she bought the kids a dog, a Lhasa apso named Maddy, Nohr said. When they moved back in with Denis Bay, they took the dog with them, but Denis, 46, “never liked the dog,” Andrea Bay had told her. The dog was led out of the residence by authorities this evening.

Nohr last saw Andrea Bay Thursday morning when the girl was playing with the dog outside before school and brought it over to the fence to visit with Nohr’s two Lhasa apsos.

Denis Bay was laid off about a year ago, Nohr said, but she didn’t know what his occupation had been. Michelle was on disability.

“She kept having one operation after another,” Nohr said, adding that she didn’t know why.

Dan Angell, who lives across the street, said they seemed like a normal family. “I would have never guessed that any of that would have happened,” he said.

A number of neighbors noted that they didn’t know the family’s name, but saw the couple’s children — one in middle school and the other in elementary — get off the school bus after school Friday afternoon.

Nicole Born, who lives across the street from the house where the incident took place, said her husband talked to Bay and noted that he was “nice, very, very respectful.”

A police truck was outside the ranch-style home with an attached garage Friday evening. The garage door was open, showing a room nearly filled with materials. Beiderwieden said he does not believe police had been called to the house for any previous trouble.